Showing posts with label Family History Tips for Croatia. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Family History Tips for Croatia. Show all posts

Sunday, April 30, 2017

Brinje and Sokolac Castle

In 1493 the Ottoman empire beat the Croatian forces at the Battle of Krbava field.  In the decades that followed, the Ottomans took over land in the region and were a constant threat to other parts of Croatia.

The constant threat from the Ottomans, led to the creation of a military border that stretched from Senj to Belgrade.  In 1530, the castle located in Brinje was part of that border defense.  Prior to that time, the Frankopans had ruled the castle in Brinje.  Because of the threat, they ceded their castle, which is called Sokoloac (from the Croatian word for falcon - sokol) to royal authority, which then stationed a garrison of soldiers there.  Here's a 1658 drawing of Sokolac and Brinje.

Photo taken August 2016 at Sokolac Castle, Brinje, Croatia. 

Brinje has an important family connection because the Kljaić (Klaich) family (and others) moved to Kurjak from Brinje around 1689.   (The military-settlers were moving back into Kurjak and other parts of Lika in the late 1600s to resettle the land from the Turkish forces that had withdrawn back into Ottoman lands.)

The castle (and now the ruins of it) are in a picturesque position on top of a hill in the valley.  If you visit today, you can see some of the castle structure.  Here are a few pictures that we took when we visited in 2016:




Speaking of visiting, you can always see the outside of the castle for free.  However, if you want to go inside the Castle tower, you need to set up an appointment in advance.  When we visited in 2016, we emailed them in advance at the following email address: info@visitbrinje.hr 

As of 2016, tickets for a single person were 20 kuna, for a group up to 30 people 200kn and for a group up to 40 people 300kn (but you'll have to email to find out if that's still true).  There were two levels in the castle. On the lower level they have informational signs about Brinje's history along with a small number of artifacts.

Inside the lower level of Sokolac

On the upper floor is a chapel (Chapel of the Holy Trinity I believe) that you can also visit.






Saturday, April 22, 2017

A List of Surnames in Lika Province by Village

Someone has put together a list of the family names (or surnames) and the villages where people with those names lived.   I didn't put this together, but it seems to be right based on what I've seen in my own research.  Here's the link:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/35375858/Licka-Prezimena-Nadimci-i-Isorija-Krajine

This list can be useful for a few things.

(1) If you know your families last name, you can see the full list of villages where people with that name lived.  For example, people named Kljaić lived in three locations: Dnopolje, Kurjak, and Ploća. My great-grandfather was born in Kurjak and I have focused my work on that area.  However I may try to track down records from the other towns eventually to see if I can find connections. 

(2) Sometimes last names were changed in America.  Recently I was emailing with someone who was looking for their grandfather's records.  Here's a bit of the story:

"The only evidence of my great grandfather's name I have comes from a 1918 court document (when my grandmother was put into an orphanage in Minnesota).  In that document it simply mentions that he is "Austrian", deceased, and his name Rohda Peretina.  My guess is that the court reporter typed his name the way she heard it.   Just a guess on my part but I was thinking his name is really Rade Prtina."  

Now the name Prtina doesn't occur in Lika, but the surname Prlina does (see the linked document above).  When this person looked for Rade Prlina - he found an immigration document that fits within the other information he has!

So the story here is that last names were often changed and so sometimes you need to go back and look for similar names.  The list here provides you with the information you need to do that!

PS: This is a story about Todd.  If Prlina is a family name, you might contact Todd at todd5@rocketmail.com to see if you have common ancestors.

Monday, November 7, 2016

Tips for Using the Austrian-Hungarian Muster Rolls

As I wrote previously, I used the Austro-Hungarian muster rolls to create a database of soldiers from some of the villages in the Udbina area for the period 1821-1868.  The muster rolls are actually incredibly nice to work with; the handwriting is legible (even beautiful) with information in an easy to understand format.  It was clear that the AH empire wanted to keep good records of these men.

I wanted to share a few tips, based on my own experience, for those who look at the records.

(1) In a separate post, I have noted that there were a few different types of records.  My last point explains the different types of records you can find.

(2) Also, I have provided a separate post about reading the handwriting in the records.  It is beautiful handwriting, but it is Gothic German cursive.  Thankfully there are resources to help you learn how to read it.

(3) The military in the region was divided into 9 companies for most of the period (there was an interesting increase which I'll write about later).  Each company covered a set of villages.  As far as I can tell, the mapping between villages and companies were constant over the entire period.  For example, Kurjak (where some of my ancestors lived) was aways in the 5th company. (This company was also referred to as the "Udbina" company in the records.)   It is also the case that most of the records have the company listed in a way that makes it easy to find.

It is also that a lot of the records will include individuals from all records, but the information is sorted by company (i.e., it gives the information for the 1st company and then the second company, etc.).

So if you are looking for records for a particular village, a good first step is to figure out which company the village is assigned to. This will help you scan through the records more quickly as you search for records.

(4) The records look a bit like excel sheets with each row representing a soldier the columns providing different information about the men.  Here's an example:



Not all of the documents have the same information, but many of the sheets give some combination of the information given below.  When this information is given, it often (though not always) appears in the following order:

  • Company # (German: "Compaigne")
  • Date that the record was filled out
  • Company Name (German: "Compaigne")
  • Rank or position (German: "Charge")
  • Village 
  • House number (i.e., address) (German: "Haus No.")
  • Name (German: "Namen")
  • Age (German: Jahr Alt) OR Birthyear 
    • In the earlier years they tend to give age.  Later on they primarily give birth year.
  • Religion (2 columns-wide) (German: "Religion")
    • Catholic (German: "Katholisch")
    • Orthodox (German: "gr: n: un:". this is really short for Greek Orthodox, but that is misleading; in this region they are al Serbian Orthodox.  They use Greek Orthodox for all Orthodox soldiers without differentiating by national church identities.) 
  • Marital Status (2 columns-wide) (German: Stand = Status -- for martial status)
    • Single (German: "Ledig")
    • Married (German: "Verheiratet")
  • Has Children (2 columns-wide) (German: "Haben Kinder")
    • Males (German: "Männlich")
    • Females (German: "Weiblich")
  • Measurements (Sometimes 1 column, sometimes 3 columns) (German: "Maass")
    • Feet (German: "Schuh")
    • Inches (German: "Zoll")
    • 1/10 of inch units (this is the 3rd one that is sometimes included)
  • Years in Army
  • Year they joined the army
Those are the suggestions that come to mind now.  I definitely don't want to intimidate anyone from using these records.  I didn't understand German when I started (and still don't). But the records are done in a relatively uniform way making them manageable to work with once you have started.

Sunday, October 23, 2016

Reading German handwriting from the 1800s

Hi Everyone -

When I put together the database using the Austro-Hungarian Military records, I had to learn how to read German cursive script.  (If you look at this previous post you can see examples of the handwriting in the documents.)

One thing that helped me do this, is the following resource put out by BYU: German Script Tutorial.

And the list of the letters in the alphabet is probably the document I used the most: Alphabet link.

The letter "h" was the one that through me off the most.  When I first started I had a hard time telling the difference between "h" and "f".  It helped me to know the names of the cities I was looking for.  I could then see examples of words that I definitely knew.  

Good luck!



Monday, October 10, 2016

Types of Records in the Austrian-Hungarian Muster Rolls

As noted in my last post, I have created a database of for soldiers in the Austro-Hungarian empire from the Udbina area from 1821-1868.  The vast majority of those records came from one of a few types.  Here's a list of types of records in the database (I only list the types of records that represented at least 1 percent of the sample):

1) Enrollment. German = Enroulirungs. Size = 46% of the sample.  The records when men are first recruited.  Most of the men are around 20 years old.  


2) Discharge. German = Ausroulirungs. Size = 33% of the sample.  Gives records for the men are being released.


3) Nomination (I think these were essentially the same as the enrollment forms above. They only started using them in the years after 1854 and so I think it is just a shift in the name of the forms they use to track new recruits... I think). German = Nominal. Size = 15% of the sample.


4) Court-Martials (I think... it looks like most of these are records for people who have deserted and are being presented under that context). German = Prasentirungs. Size = 2% of the sample.



5) Transfers. German = Transferierungs. Size = 2% of the sample.


6) Assent. German = Assent. Size = 1% of the sample.



7) Assignment (Consignation). German = Consignation. Size = 1% of the sample.




Friday, December 11, 2015

White Pine County High School Yearbooks

The group at ancestry.com have collected scanned yearbooks from White Pine County High School.  They have yearbooks from 1917 to 1949 (though with gaps).  If you have an ancestry account set up (or can get access through your local library), here's a link to their collection.

I have tried to go through looking for the children of (1) Sophia and Joseph Klaich, and (2) Mildred and Andrew Klaich.  Here's the years where I found information:

Children of Sophia and Joseph Klaich
  • Nikola (b. 1907): Died in early childhood
  • Mary (b. 1908): Not found in any yearbooks
  • Mildred (b. 1909): Not found in any yearbooks
  • Eli (b. 1913): Not found in any yearbooks
  • Dragica (b. 1914): Died in early childhood
  • Mellini, a.k.a. Smiley (b. 1916): 1931, 1932, 1933 [the 1934 yearbook is not online]
  • Nick (b. 1918): 1933, 1935, 1936 [the 1934 yearbook is not online]
Children of Mildred and Andrew Klaich
  • Mike (b. 1923): 1939, 1942 [the 1940 and 1941 yearbooks are not online]
  • Mildred (b. 1925): 1942, 1943 [the 1940 and 1941 yearbooks are not online]
  • Alexandra (b. 1926): 1942, 1943, 1944 [the 1941 yearbook is not online]
  • George (b. 1927): 1942, 1943, 1944, 1945
  • Robert (b. 1929): 1944, 1945 1946, 1947
  • Angela  (b. 1938): Yearbooks from 1950s are not online
I saved copies of all the yearbook pages with one of these family members.  I will share what I found in separate posts (which you can go to directly by clicking on their names above).

Even from this information, one significant thing emerges: Not everyone graduated from high school (or at least in the traditional manner). It looks like Smiley and Nick may have been the only two to graduate from high school in their family.  In that sense, Smiley was an educational pioneer for the family!

Mildred married (too) young so it is not surprising that she didn't go to high school, but I also have not found any record of either Mary or Eli going to high school. This matches (mostly) with the information in the 1940 census.  One thing I could not reconcile is that Eli said that he had gone to two years of high school.  If so, he didn't show up in any of the yearbooks I looked in.

Finally, here are some pictures of the high school building over the years as taken from the yearbooks:

1917, p. 10
1930, p. 11

1944
1949
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Sunday, September 20, 2015

Information on Kurjak, Croatia from Udbina i njena sela (Udbina and her villages)

I mentioned in an earlier post, people have written books about the villages in the Udbina/Krbava area.  I have ordered copies of those books and now have copies of them.  If someone wants information about them, please contact me and I can get you information that you need.  Over the next few posts, I want to start to share some information from the more recent of these books: Udbina i njena sela  (Udbina and her villages).

In the book, there is a chapter for each village.  It provides information from previous records, including the various censuses they took in the early 1700s and later.  They also give the number of people living in each village before and after the 1995 conflict.  The area took a massive hit during that period.  

I've been translating the information on the chapters that our family is from (Kurjak and Komich) and I just finished the Kurjak chapter.   While there is a lot here (so I'll be returning to this again in future posts), there are a few things worth highlighting here:

1) It looks like one of our ancestors -  Todor Kljaich - was a local leader in the area.  The 
2) Our patron saint is Saint Luke 
3) It looks like our family probably came from Brinje (a city in Croatia that was closer to the coast).
4) It gives the number of people living there over time

What follows is my best translation of the text.  If you would like to get a copy of the original in Serbian, just let me know!



START OF TRANSLATION OF CHAPTER ON KURJAK:


PAGE 1

Kurjak

Temple: The Nativity of the Virgin Mother

Built: 1871. Was destroyed by fire by the Ustasha during WWII and the remains of the walls down to the foundation were demolished by the Villagers of Srednja Gora and Kurjak. 

Church Slava: Nativity (September 21) 

Parish: Srednja Gora for Srednja Gora and Kurjak

Priesthood: See everything under Srednja Gora

Schooling

Before WWII the school for Kurjak and Srednja Gora was in Srednja Gora.  After WWII they established and built a 4-year school in Kurjak.

Teachers after WWII:

Chedo Belich from Slavonije
Ankitsa Berkich from Mekinar
Ibritsa from Bihach
Anka Djukich from Kurjak
Maritsa Stanich from Divosela
Kresho from Nashitsa
Pera Perseda Lonchar (married name = Devchich) from Mutilich


PAGE 2

Djuro Pavletsa from Politsa
Luka Lucha Djukich from Kurjak
Lazo Djukich from Kurjak, Last teacher in the village


[The following is part of a photograph of an ancient document from around 1909]
The Village of Srednja Gora with Kurjak

Numbers: 395 Serbian homes.
Souls: 2,056 Serbian Orthodox individuals.
Marriages: 312 Serbian marriages
Public Buildings: Serbian Orthodox church and a community school
Powers: The district offices and court are located in Udbina.  The tax authority is in Gospich.  The municipalities fall under the Lika-Krbava county, the county government, the school inspectorate, the financial management, and the judicial review court are in Gospich.  The banking and ??? are located in Zagreb.  The headquarters for supplementing the regular army is in Otačac. The headquarters for the home guard is in Karlovac. The headquarters for the popular uprisings is in Gospich.
Post Office: Post office is located in Udbina
There is a parish in place.
Branch: There is a regular parish.  Rade Ilich President, Jovan Vuksan Secretary. Account was closed and approved.

Church: Temple was created in 1871.  It is dedicated to the Nativity of the Virgin Mary, but the Slava [A SERBIAN ORTHODOX TRADITIONAL HOLIDAY] is not held on the same day.  It has a Serbian Orthodox graveyard.  The temple was painted in 1871.
Rectory: A priest, an apartment, but no sessions.  To receive compensation the priest ??? 
Priesthood Leadership: Andrija Medich, Priest, was born in 1854 in Popina (??).  He was set apart by Bishop Tofan Givkovich in 1880.  He has served for 29 years, 18 years in this place.  He speaks Serbian and German.  He has no children.
Former Leaders: Milan Ilich 1896 1879, Stevan Bodjichkovich 1873-1875, Sima Vojvodich 1885-1887, Gideon Ilich 1887-1890, and Andrija Medich.
Parish’s status: Founded in 1869.  The papers (??) were filed in1869 and the water is exact.  There are 395 Serbian Orthodox homes, 312 marriages 2,056 persons, 1136 men, and 920 women.   
School: Community.  It has one building for primary school.  The (head?) teacher is Nikola Gugleta.  In primary school there are 293 kids: 195 boys, 98 girls.  For secondary school 73 kids: 48 boys, 25 girls.
School is in Srednja Gora



Cultural Life

In Kurjak between 1935 and 1940 the Udbina branch of the group known as the “Peasant Cart” had the task of organizing various events, displays, cultural-educational work, and sports contests… Dmitar Basta Dmitrich was president of the branch. 

In the village they also formed the “Serbian agricultural purchasers-consumers cooperative” with Stanish Basta Serdarich as president.


PAGE 3

In the south-western part of the Krbava parish is the Kurjak field which from pre-Turkish times developed a strong settlement. 

The name Kurjak is from the Mogorovich tribe in the 13th century.  It comes from the prefect/governor – Kurjak (1322-1349).   Today, in the area of the village, there are the remains of the church and the fortifications.  The church was located in the “Tushik (or Tusheis)—ТУШИК (ТУШИЦ)” valley, by the old road that leads from Krbava in Lika. There are also a large number of gravestones carved with different images of crosses, stars, cups and the like.  Some monuments are very large.  The fortress in Kurjak was built on the high, steep cliff, next to the old road, which it protected.  The Turks took the fortress over and housed their forces in it; around the fortress a small settlement developed in which Serbs and Muslims lived together as is seen from the 1577 census.  Glavinich mentions the Kurjak fortress among the lists of Turkish fortresses and says: “That it is on a high hill and is suitable for defense.”  Judging by the name it was built by Kurjak from the tribe of Gushich (or his descendants).

On the east side of the hill – Srednja Gora – in a fertile valley between two peaks, lays the pre-Turkish villages of Kurjak and Srednja Gora.  In the old Kurjak fortress, soldiers from BRINE (БРИЊЕ) and the BRILOSHKI frontier (Serbians) stood guard starting from 1689 onwards.  From 1698, when they began to inhabit the area, the first settlers were from БРЛОГ and КОСИЊ and they served in the frontier army, keeping watch on this fortress.  They were the БАСТА (BASTA) family from КОСИЊ and the ОРЛОВИЋ (ORLOVICH) family from BRINE (БРИЊЕ) from the borders of БРЛОГ.  At that time, Kurjak and Srednja Gora were considered as one settlement, and these early settlers settled in both communities.  In addition to these families, other settlers came in a stream from Knin and Bukovica.  The frontier (Krajina) record from 1701 grouped Kurjak and Srednja Gora together with a total of 34 houses between both communities.  And according to the census of 1712, these were the households in Kurjak:

Basta 19; Djukich 11, 18, 13, 12, 16, 8, 66k; Grubachich 16; Glusheets 5, 1K; Dragoshevich 13; Kallan 12; Klaich 24, 24K; Kovachevich 8; Kresovich 8; Matich 18, 11K; Mitrovich 9; Polats 7; Stankovich 20; Vuchenovich 5.

From this it is evident that Djukich was the largest family that came from Knin. Later many families left the village.   The families that stayed in Kurjak all grew, especially the Djukich family, who represented nearly half of the village.


PAGE 4

List of surnames, their patron saint, and the place where they came, according to the 1712 census:

Surname
Patron Saint (Day)
Provenance
Basta (БАСТА)
Vasily (ВАСИЛИЈЕ)
Kosin (КОСИЊ)
Djukich (ЂУКИЋ)
Mark (МАРКОВДАН)
Knin (КНИН)
Grubachich (ГРУБАЧИЋ)
Steven (СТЕВАНДАН)
Knin (КНИН)
Glusheets (ГЛУШИЦ)
Nicholas (НИКОЉДАН)
Knin (КНИН)
Dragoshevich (ДРАГОШЕВИЋ)
Nicholas (НИКОЉДАН)
Knin (КНИН)
Kallan (КАЛАЊ)
George (ЂУРЂЕВДАН)
Brinje (БРИЊЕ)
Klaich (КЊАЈИЋ)
Luke (ЛУКА)
Brinje (БРИЊЕ)
Kovachevich (КОВАЧЕВИЋ)
Nicholas (НИКОЉДАН)
Brlog (БРЛОГ)
Kresovich (КРЕСОВИЋ)
George (ЂУРЂЕВДАН)
Brinje (БРИЊЕ)
Matich (МАТИЋ)
Michael the Archangel (АРАНЂЕВДАН)
Brinje (БРИЊЕ)
Mitrovich (МИТРОВИЋ)
John the Baptist (ЈОВАЊДАН)
Knin (КНИН)
Polats (ПОЉАЦ)
Nicholas (НИКОЉДАН)
Knin (КНИН)
Stankovich (СТАНКОВИЋ)
Peter (ПЕТРОВДАН)
Brinje (БРИЊЕ)
Vuchenovich (ВУЧЕНОВИЋ)
John the Baptist (ЈОВАЊДАН)
Knin (КНИН)

According the 1712 census of Lika and Krbava, we see that in Kurjak and Srednja Gora were:
            Porkulob:                   Medak Radakovich
            (Porkulob is a military title for the person in charge of fortifications)
            Magistrate:                        Todor Kljaich

In Kurjak and Srednja Gora on March 17, 1730 we see the following:
            Porkulob:                   Milivoy Radakovich
            Magistrate:                        Todor Kljaich

Families living in Kurjak before August 1, 1995 (with the size of household):

Matich Hamlet: Bogdan Djukich (2), Urosh Djukich (6), Jovo Djukich (2), Milica Matich (5), Geno Matich (7), Djuradj Matich (4), Sava Djukich (2), Marta Djukich (5), Nikola Djukich (2), Bodgeca Djukich (1), Soka Djukich (5), Andjelia Djukich (2).

Kalanj Hamlet: Dane Kalanj (2), Nikola Kalanj (2), Mile Kalanj (3), and Milka Kalanj (4).

Djurich Hamlet: Danika Basta (4), Andja Basta (3), Dushan Basta (4).


PAGE 5

Serdari Hamlet: Iliya Basta (4), Rade Basta (5), Radomir Basta (3), Nikola Basta (3).

Poshatlichi Hamlet: Bogdan Matich (6), Iliya Djukich (6), Geno Djukich (2).

Miladinovich Hamlet: Toma Djukich (2), Nikola Djukich (2), Soka Djukich (6), Andjelia Djukich (2), Jovo Djukich (7)

Lemich Hamlet: Bojo Djukich (4), Niko Djukich (6)

Klaich Hamlet: Nikola Kalich (6), Tomo Klaich (4), Stevo Klaich (7), Nikitsa Klaich (4), Arseniye Klaich (6), Dmitar Klaich (7), Rayko Djukich (7), Micho Djukich (4), Micho and Boya Djukich (2), Dane Klaich (2).

Tushice Hamlet: Geno Djukich (6), Petar Djukich (4), Misho Boshnak (4), Petar Djukich (5), Perka Djukich (2), Iliya Djukich (6).

In Kurjak before August 1, 1995, there were…
-       Households: 49
-       Population: 201

Families that have returned to their homes after 1995 (and household size):
Dushan Shedjo and Stevo Matich (2), Geno and Luba Matich (2), Boro and Bosilka Matich (2), Anka Matich (5), Jovo and Dushanka Basta (2), Sava Basta (1), Radomir Bogdana and Jelko Basta (3), Geno Djukich (2), Mile Djukich (1), and Djuro Klaich (6).

After 1995, the following returned:
-       Households: 10
-       Population: 26

Springs and Wells in Kurjak:
In Matich                  Grabovac and Lower Well
In Kalanj                  The Kalanjs
In Djukich                Upper well
Above Shemele        Plochica, Chemer and Klenovac Yurnovac, Stubal and Kuyenovac


(The information in this chapter was provide by Geno Matich and Dushan Matich Shijo from Kurjak in August 2008)




Wednesday, July 15, 2015

Tip: Where to Eat in Zagreb

If you are making a family history trip to Zagreb, or for any other reason, I recommend a meal at the restaurant Vinodol.  The restaurant serves food from all over Croatia - all of which is good.  The staff are friendly and speak English.  If you want food they would eat in Lika, just ask for it.

I recommend that you ask to eat on the terrace.  It is the nicest location and also provides a view of the cooking area (just look through the windows at the end of the terrace).  Be sure to take note of the large cast-iron lid.  It looks like a large dutch oven.  Many traditional meals are baked "under the lid" (pod peka).

Vinodol is conveniently located in downtown Zagreb, close to many sites of interest.

Wednesday, June 17, 2015

Finding Croatian Government Records: Visit the Matićni Ured

In Croatia, government records are kept at the Matićni Ured.  This translates as something like "Registry Office".  Historically, when people were born their information was put into a book.  As other life events occurred (e.g., marriages and death), those events were added to the same record.

Kurjak has such a small population, that they do not have their own Matićni Ured.  Udbina is also too small to have one.  The Matićni Ured covering all of greater Udbina is located in Korenica, Croatia (about 22 miles from Kurjak).   With a population of about 1,700, Korenica is the government center for the local area.  Here is a picture of the building in Korenica where all of the government records are located.

Government Building in Korenica
Matični Ured office plaque
The individuals in the office were extremely helpful.  Unfortunately, though all of the records prior to 1900 have been destroyed.  They simply no longer exist.  The oldest records they have for Kurjak are from 1900.  Here's a picture of the book for Kurjak and Srednya Gora for the years 1900-1918 .



Because Jandre was born in 1888, we will not be able to get any civil records on him.   However, his two youngest siblings were born after 1900.  And we do have records on them.

Friday, June 12, 2015

My Search for Orthodox Church Records: Monks in rural Croatia direct me to Family Search

The local church is usually a great source for information about one's ancestors.  However in Lika province where are family is from, the churches were all destroyed.  During the conflicts in the 1940s and the 1990s the Orthodox churches (along with most everything else) was destroyed.

There was never a church in Kurjak (as far as I can tell), but here are the pictures of the churches in Komić, Mutilić, and Mogorić (these are the churches that would have had family records for our Kljaić line).

Orthodox Church in Mutilić (Area in front still used for baptism)
Ruins of Orthodox Church in Komić

Ruins of Orthodox church in Morogić

Because the churches had been destroyed, I decided to pay a visit to the Krupa Monastery, which is about an hour south of Kurjak.  The monastery is located in a picturesque valley next to a national park (and so worth a visit in its own right).  

Krupa Monastery
I went to Krupa, however, because they have kept their own archives, and I thought that if anyone knew where to find the Orthodox church records, they would be the ones who would know.  Apparently, this is a question they get often and the answer they share with everyone is to go look at familysearch.org.   

Unfortunately for us, there are no Orthodox records from our family’s hometowns on Family Search.  So church records are not likely to prove a source for information for us.



Saturday, June 6, 2015

List of (some? all?) Records from Lika province in the Croatian State Archive

In response to an earlier post, Deb asked me about why I started with the year 1820-1821.

The simple reason: 1820-1821 the oldest record they have available in the Zagreb archive.  Below are pictures I took of the records they have available.  I should not that I don't know if this represents all or just some of the records available for Lika (which is where the Kljaić family is from).  I am most interested in the Standes Tabelle because I think it will be the most complete information available.  As the pictures show, they have these records from 1820 to roughly 1870.  The archives in Vienna should cover the same time period as well as several decades before and after. 

Even though the Vienna archive covers the same period, I still plan to exhaust both sides in case there is something that I otherwise would have missed.